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	<title>Lumbar Puncture</title>
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		<title>Getting your CSF sample to the laboratory</title>
		<link>http://www.lumbarpuncture.net/2008/07/30/csf-sample-handling/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<category><![CDATA[CSF testing]]></category>

		<category><![CDATA[correct CSF handling]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[It is in your patients interest that you correctly handle the CSF specimen.  In summary get your sample to the lab as quickly as possible and remember to protect it from light.
The recent  revised guidelines for the analysis of CSF for bilirubin in suspected subarachnoid haemorrhage  recommend the following:

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is in your patients interest that you correctly handle the CSF specimen.  In summary get your sample to the lab as quickly as possible and remember to protect it from light.<br />
The recent <a href="http://acb.rsmjournals.com/cgi/content/abstract/45/3/238" target="_blank"> revised guidelines for the analysis of CSF for bilirubin in suspected subarachnoid haemorrhage </a> recommend the following:</p>
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<li> a 0.5ml CSF sample in a fluoride EDTA tube for glucose and protein estimation (to biochemistry lab)</li>
<li> Two 5.0ml CSF samples in a plain sterile universal container for cell count and culture (to the microbiology lab)</li>
<li> A final 1.0ml CSF sample in a plain universal container for bilirubin spectrophotometry (to the biochemistry lab or neurochemistry lab - whoever does the CSF spectrophotometry).  Remember: this guidance is for suspected subarachnoid haemorrhage only.</li>
<p>Having been telling people for years that the order of tubes does not matter, the new guidance is that the spectrophotometry sample should be the third or fourth one collected, and preferably not the first one.  The reason for this is that oxyhaemoglobin can obscure bilirubin on spectrophotometry, and oxyHB is most likely to appear in vitro from the first sample where blood from the site of puncture can be caught up with the CSF.  This is a new practice.</ol>
<p>The other common scenarios are suspected multiple sclerosis or other inflammatory disease - in this case a 2.0ml CSF sample is needed for detection of oligoclonal bands (immunology lab).  Rarely CSF cytology is needed in cases of suspected malignant meningitis.  CSF cytology needs to be received by the lab within hours and spun down for cytological examination a 2.0ml to 5.0ml CSF sample would be preferable.</p>
<p>Remember that <strong>paired serum is needed for GLUCOSE, PROTEIN, BILIRUBIN, OLIGOCLONAL BANDS.</strong></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the all encompassing list:</p>
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<li> 0.5ml CSF in fluoride EDTA container</li>
<li> 5.0ml CSF in plain container for cell count</li>
<li> 5.0ml CSF in plain container for culture</li>
<li> 2.0ml CSF in plain container for spectrophotometry</li>
<li> 2.0ml CSF in plain container for oligoclonal bands to immunology</li>
<li> 2.0ml CSF in plain container for CSF cytology to neuropathology</li>
<li> 2.0ml CSF in plain container for viral PCR (polymerase Chain reaction - suspected herpes simplex encephalitis).</li>
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<p>Total CSF collected is 18.5ml, which is about 50% of the contents of the lumbar cistern.  It will take about 50minutes for 18mls of CSF to be replaced by normal rates of CSF synthesis.</p>
<p>Personally I think that this is probably a bit excessive.  The 5ml samples could be reduced to 2mls without seriously compromising analysis.  For an emergency LP - typically for acute headache or suspected CNS infection, I would compromise to:</p>
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<li> 0.5ml CSF in fluoride EDTA container - glucose and protein</li>
<li> 2.0ml CSF in plain container for cell count and culture</li>
<li> 2.0ml CSF in plain container for spectrophotemetry</li>
<p>PLEASE LABEL this sample specially for spectrophotometry, as it is least likely to be contaminated by traumatic blood.</p>
<li> 2.0ml CSF in plain container for viral PCR (polymerase Chain reaction - suspected herpes simplex encephalitis).</li>
</ol>
<p>CSF cytology could be requested if malignant meningitis is suspected clinically (this is very rare), and oligoclonal bands are rarely needed acutely, but could be useful if confusion cases where CNS inflammation could be a rare cause.</p>
<p>Like a lot of medicine a cookbook list to cover all eventualities is not really possible unless you, your patient and the labs are happy to get 16.5mls or more of CSF each time an LP is performed. My main worry is that an agitated patient or someone in whom needle placement is difficult will not allow enough time to get 18mls of CSF collected.  In a scenario where CSF collection is difficult, you may need to make a professional judgement as to which tests would have priority.</p>
<p>The other important issue is to PROTECT YOUR SAMPLE FROM LIGHT.  In practice this means putting your sample and request form into a brown envelope.  Ultraviolet light will degrade bilirubin at a rate of about 0.005AU (absorption units) per hour.  Given that only 0.007AU are required to diagnose subarachnoid haemorrhage, you could easily end up with a false negative CSF result.</p>
<p>The last comment is that use of pneumatic tube delivery may agitate a CSF sample sufficiently to cause haemolysis, relaeasing oxyhaemoglobin and making CSF spectrophotometry more difficult to interpret.</p>
<p>In summary:</p>
<ul>
<li> Generous samples</li>
<li> Paired serum samples</li>
<li> Protect the sample from light (especially if assaying bilirubin)</li>
<li> Get the sample to the lab as soon as possible, avoiding pneumatic tube delivery if possible</li>
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		<title>Does Lumbar Puncture ever make the news?</title>
		<link>http://www.lumbarpuncture.net/2008/06/06/lumbar-puncture-news/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 05:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;m not sure I can ever recall a lumbar puncture being mentioned in the news.  This is extraordinary as there are probably several million lumbar puncture procedures performed each year.  In addition about 1% of women aged 40 to 50 years will have a diagnosis of multiple sclerosis and may have had a lumbar puncture. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure I can ever recall a lumbar puncture being mentioned in the news.  This is extraordinary as there are probably several million lumbar puncture procedures performed each year.  In addition about 1% of women aged 40 to 50 years will have a diagnosis of multiple sclerosis and may have had a lumbar puncture. Similarly meningitis is still a worldwide health concern and a lumbar puncture is required for the diagnosis of meningitis. In the USA alone an estimated 400,000 lumbar puncture tests are done every year.  My own hospital performs about 1 lumbar puncture per day for diagnostic purposes, and the numbers of lumbar punctures performed each day for spinal anesthesia is simply huge! </p>
<p>It seems strange that a lumbar puncture is not more noteworthy.</p>
<p>The humble lumbar puncture is in the background, and the honourable mention goes to the cerebrospinal fluid or neurological diagnosis!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve searched <a target="_blank" href="http://www.medicalnewstoday">medicalnewstoday.com</a> for news items which mention lumbar puncture.  I managed to find about 19 out of 102,000 (that&#8217;s only 0.018%) of all their recorded news items! They included a case of <a target="_blank" href="http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/18307.php">rabies</a>, the articles about the <a target="_blank" href="http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/6638.php">MMR vaccination in autism investigation</a>, research into stem cells and <a target="_blank" href="http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/7395.php">an article on brain cancer</a>. There was one mention of my favourite topic - <a target="_blank" href="http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/43530.php">investigation of acute headache</a>.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the medicalnewstoday.com news feed, which complies with their terms and conditions&#8230;.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/118467.php" target="_blank">Lyme-Like Illness To Be Studied In Texas</a><br />
Tao Lin, D.V.M., and Steven J. Norris, Ph.D., both with the Department of Pathology and Laboratory Medicine at The University of Texas Medical School at Houston, have been named grant recipients of the Norman Hackerman Advanced Research Program (A...
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<a href="http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/116808.php" target="_blank">FDA Approves First Generic Divalproex Sodium To Treat Seizures, Migraine Headaches And Bipolar Disorder</a><br />
The U.S. Food and Drug Administration approved the first generic versions of Depakote delayed-release tablets (divalproex sodium). Depakote is approved by the FDA for the treatment of seizures, bipolar disorder and migraine headaches.     "Generic...
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		<title>Lumbar Puncture fact#5</title>
		<link>http://www.lumbarpuncture.net/2008/06/05/lumbar-puncture-opening-pressure/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 21:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lumbar Puncture: Remember to Measure Opening Pressure
The usual reason for not measuring opening pressure at lumbar puncture is forgetting to include a manometer (pressure guage) in your equipment.
At LP, opening pressure should be measured without exception in the investigation of acute headache.  Always remember to measure opening pressure with your patient lying on their [...]]]></description>
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<p>The usual reason for not measuring opening pressure at lumbar puncture is forgetting to include a manometer (pressure guage) in your equipment.</p>
<p>At LP, opening pressure should be measured <strong>without exception</strong> in the investigation of acute headache.  Always remember to measure opening pressure with your patient lying on their side, not sitting upright.  The zero point for opening pressure is at the base of the skull, so if you are sitting up and you needle is in the lumbar spine the opening pressure will be at least 30cm (or whatever height the base of the skull is above your needle!  If you then add the 10-20cm of intracranial pressure you have a reading in excess of 40cm guaranteed!  This is not to be confused with intracranial hypertension, it is a simple but potentially serious error, but it is easy to forget the basics.</p>
<p>When I use Lumbar Puncture to investigate for inflammatory disorders, such as multiple sclerosis, I will deliberately sit the patient up if I don&#8217;t have very clear anatomical landmarks, as opening pressure is not crucial in this situation.</p>
<p>However, you need to maintain your skill in Lumbar Puncture with your patient lying on their side, so that if you have to do one for an emergency presentation with headache you have the necesary skill to get the needle inserted with your patient on their side - allowing you to measure opening pressure.</p>
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		<title>Lumbar Puncture and Subarachnoid haemorrhage</title>
		<link>http://www.lumbarpuncture.net/2008/06/01/lumbar-puncture-subarachnoid/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 00:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<category><![CDATA[CSF testing]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[New guidelines on testing cerebrospinal fluid, obtained at lumbar puncture, for evidence of bleeding into the brain have been published.  They can be found in the  Lumbar Puncture Directory.  The guidelines have been issued by the UK NEQAS Specialist Advisory Group for EQA of CSF Proteins and Biochemistry, led by Anne Cruickshank [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New guidelines on testing cerebrospinal fluid, obtained at lumbar puncture, for evidence of bleeding into the brain have been published.  They can be found in the <a href="http://www.lumbarpuncture.net/html/Lumbar_Puncture/Cerebrospinal_fluid/" target="_blank"> Lumbar Puncture Directory</a>.  The guidelines have been issued by the UK NEQAS Specialist Advisory Group for EQA of CSF Proteins and Biochemistry, led by Anne Cruickshank from Glasgow Royal Informary.  The full guideline can be found in <a href="http://acb.rsmjournals.com/cgi/content/abstract/45/3/238" target="_blank"> Annals of Clinical Biochemistry</a>.</p>
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		<title>Lumbar Puncture fact #4</title>
		<link>http://www.lumbarpuncture.net/2008/05/12/lumbar-puncture-measure-opening-pressure/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 22:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lumbar Puncture fact #4
Manometry is the measurement of CSF pressure using a 40cm long plastic gauge.  The most common error is not to attemmpt to measure pressure!  Measuring pressure is essential in patients presenting with acute headache, as a high or low opeinng pressure may be the only indication that there is a [...]]]></description>
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<p>Manometry is the measurement of CSF pressure using a 40cm long plastic gauge.  The most common error is not to attemmpt to measure pressure!  Measuring pressure is essential in patients presenting with acute headache, as a high or low opeinng pressure may be the only indication that there is a treatable disorder.  Idiopathic intracranial hypertension is a disorder of elevated CSF presure, and all other CSF tests will be normal.  Similarly, Spontaneous Intracranial Hypotension is a disorder of abnormally low intracranial pressure and all other CSF tests will be normal except for an abnormally low pressure (or CSF is not obtained at all despite good technique - also called a dry tap).</p>
<p>Fact # 4 - always measure opening pressure, it may be the only chance you have to clinch an important diagnosis.</p>
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		<title>Lumbar Puncture Guideline for You to Copy and Use</title>
		<link>http://www.lumbarpuncture.net/2008/05/12/lumbar-puncture-guideline-for-you-to-copy-and-use/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 22:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<category><![CDATA[LP Guideline]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[Lumbar Puncture Guideline for You to Copy and Use
I&#8217;ve written my own guideline for doing Lumbar Puncture for my own hospital.  This should reflect best practice.  You can copy this for your own hospital, and adapt it where necessary.  Please remember to quote your source - it is copyrighted, but available for free so long [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lumbar Puncture Guideline for You to Copy and Use</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve written my own guideline for doing Lumbar Puncture for my own hospital.  This should reflect best practice.  You can copy this for your own hospital, and adapt it where necessary.  Please remember to quote your source - it is copyrighted, but available for free so long as <a href="http://www.lumbarpuncture.net/">www.lumbarpuncture.net</a> is acknowledged in your guidance.  Remember that this site contains video links from YouTube so that you are left in no doubt what an LP entails.  Patient information sheet will follow next week.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the link to the LP Guideline - <a href="http://www.lumbarpuncture.net/articles/LP_guideline.doc">right click here, then save target as&#8230;</a>.</p>
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		<title>Neurologyfeeds.com</title>
		<link>http://www.lumbarpuncture.net/2008/05/10/neurologyfeedscom/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 22:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<category><![CDATA[General]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[You can use web feeds or RSS feeds to keep up to date. I&#8217;ve set up a feed here, which will search for articles from major journals on lumbar puncture. You can subscribe and you will pick up the latest journal articles on lumbar puncture.
Headache Latest
Latest titles from Cephalalgia, Headache, and all articles on headache [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can use web feeds or RSS feeds to keep up to date. I&#8217;ve set up a feed here, which will search for articles from major journals on lumbar puncture. You can subscribe and you will pick up the latest journal articles on lumbar puncture.<br />
<a href="http://www.neurologyfeeds.com/headache.php" target="_blank">Headache Latest</a><br />
Latest titles from Cephalalgia, Headache, and all articles on headache from Neurology, JNNP, Brain, Archives of Neurology and Annals of Neurology - in one  convenient place.
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Latest titles from Stroke, and articles on stroke from Neurology, JNNP, Brain, Archives of Neurology and Annals of Neurology - in one  convenient place.
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Latest titles from Movement Disorders and all articles on Parkinson's, dystonia, dyskinesia, ataxia from Neurology, JNNP, Brain, Archives of Neurology and Annals of Neurology - in one convenient place.
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<a href="http://www.neurologyfeeds.com/multiplesclerosis.php" target="_blank">Multiple Sclerosis Latest</a><br />
Latest titles from Multiple Sclerosis, and articles on multiple sclerosis or clinically isolated episodes from Neurology, JNNP, Brain, Archives of Neurology and Annals of Neurology - in one convenient place.
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<a href="http://www.neurologyfeeds.com/neuropathology.php" target="_blank">Neuropathology Latest</a><br />
Latest titles from Journal of Neuropathology and Experimental Neurology, Acta Neuropathologica, and articles on neuropathology or autopsy  from Neurology, JNNP, Brain, Archives of Neurology and Annals of Neurology - in one convenient place.
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<a href="http://www.neurologyfeeds.com/neuro-ophthalmology.php" target="_blank">Neuro-ophthalmology Latest</a><br />
Latest titles from Journal of Neuro-ophthalmology and articles on neuro-ophthalmologhy from Neurology, JNNP, Brain, Archives of Neurology and Annals of Neurology - in one convenient place.
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<a href="http://www.neurologyfeeds.com/reviews.php" target="_blank">Latest Reviews</a><br />
Latest review articles published in Neurology, JNNP, Brain, Archives of Neurology, Annals of Neurology and Practical Neurology - in one convenient place.
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		<title>Lumbar Puncture fact #3</title>
		<link>http://www.lumbarpuncture.net/2008/05/08/lumbar-puncture-atraumatic-needles/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 12:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lumbar Puncture Fact #3
22 guage atraumatic needles are now recommended for diagnostic Lumbar Puncture (LP).   An atraumatic needle has a rounded tip and is said to avoid cutting the fibres of the dura.  If the fibres of the dura are separated without cutting, and the resulting hole is less likely to persist, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lumbar Puncture Fact #3</p>
<p>22 guage atraumatic needles are now recommended for diagnostic Lumbar Puncture (LP).   An atraumatic needle has a rounded tip and is said to avoid cutting the fibres of the dura.  If the fibres of the dura are separated without cutting, and the resulting hole is less likely to persist, the risk of causing sustained leak of CSF (cerebrospinal fluid) and low pressure headache is reduced.  Some researchers have said that atraumatic needles stil create a tear in the dura, and that it is the local inflammation/healing reaction which reduces the risk of CSF leak.</p>
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		<title>Which needle should be used for Lumbar Puncture?</title>
		<link>http://www.lumbarpuncture.net/2008/05/08/lumbar-puncture-needle/</link>
		<comments>http://www.lumbarpuncture.net/2008/05/08/lumbar-puncture-needle/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 12:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lumbar Puncture Needle Selection
The issue of needle selection is almost resolved. The most up to date recommendation from the American Academy of Neurology is that 22 guage atraumatic needles should be used, as they are asociated with the lowest risk of an LPs most frequent complication - the post-LP headache. 
The evidence for this comes mostly [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lumbar Puncture Needle Selection</p>
<p>The issue of needle selection is almost resolved. The most up to date recommendation from the <a href="http://www.neurology.org/cgi/content/full/65/4/510?maxtoshow=&amp;HITS=10&amp;hits=10&amp;RESULTFORMAT=&amp;fulltext=lumbar+puncture&amp;andorexactfulltext=and&amp;searchid=1&amp;FIRSTINDEX=0&amp;sortspec=relevance&amp;resourcetype=HWCIT">American Academy of Neurology</a> is that 22 guage atraumatic needles should be used, as they are asociated with the lowest risk of an LPs most frequent complication - the post-LP headache. </p>
<p>The evidence for this comes mostly from anaesthetic literature, but there is little doubt from e.g. <a href="http://www.neurology.org/cgi/content/abstract/57/12/2310">good quality studies</a> that an atraumatic needle may reduce post-LP headache from 24% to 12%.</p>
<p>However, not all doctors have ever used atraumatic needles, and the lower risk of post-LP headache should be measured against the risk of a poor patient experience caused by an operator using a needle with which they are not experienced.  A misdirected LP needle can be very painful, particularly if the needle comes into contact with bone (periosteum) or nerve root. This may seem silly i.e. surely all needles are the same?  In actual fact you do get used to the feel of certain needles.  A fine needle is more flexible, whereas you have more control over the direction of a thicker/broader needle. </p>
<p>There are potentially other methods of preventing post-LP headache.  An interesting way, but not widely accepted, is to insert the needle tangentially i.e. deliberately placing the needle at an angle instead of perpendicular to the surface of the back (<a href="http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Villa/5422/full_article.htm">see Dr Hatfalvi&#8217;s article published in Regional Anesthesia 1995</a>. Tangential insertion also requires training and anatomical knowledge, and image guidance, such as ultrasound, may help less experienced operators.</p>
<p>A preference must surely be for correct use of 22 guage atraumatic needles, but for those of us who are confident with existing cutting or traumatic needles, we will need to justify our continued use of these with evidence of minimal patient discomfort at the actual time of their LP.</p>
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		<title>Lumbar Puncture fact #2</title>
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The distance from skin to the ligamentum flavum (the tough ligament just befire you reach the epidural space) is between 4 and 7cm in adults.  Does anyone know an up-to-date study of this (i.e. if we are getting more obese, is this still true today?)
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<p>The distance from skin to the ligamentum flavum (the tough ligament just befire you reach the epidural space) is between 4 and 7cm in adults.  Does anyone know an up-to-date study of this (i.e. if we are getting more obese, is this still true today?)</p>
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